[himagain]

Hello Fellows,

What a good job this program is!

HOWEVER, what is really needed out in the Cyberbog is a newby-newby introduction to thewhole sequence of building a database, which covers the “gotchas” along the way.

E.G. I went nutz 😮 trying to install and run a program paid for in hard cash! (and VERY badly written) in Delphi and feeding MySQL and outputting to MS XL.

The first real “gotcha” was that I didn't know that you had to reboot XP every time you altered anything in the install/setup process of MySQL. Thus, nothing SEEMED to work, especially any of the suggested fixes!

THEN XP user permissions came into it and was another can of worms! (Or gotchas)

But really, getting into programs at this level is rather like trying to replace the engine in your auto – seems simple enough to do………….

We do have to expect a big learning curve and as someone who suffered for years from the BSOD – no – not blue screen of death – THAT was predated by the Black Screen Of Disaster. When Manuals ran to 800 pages and didn't tell you anything at all that a Geek didn't already know and nothing useful at the SUI ( Simple User Installer) end.

I'm still looking for a simple explanation of how-to-build-a-simple-useful-database which covers the elementary “gotchas”.

Even to why have separate fields for firstname, middle, lastname. SEEMS a waste when you first start out……….. 😀

So we really need a REALLY Newby forum………………..

Cheers,

Him

[himagain]

QUOTE (Ritesh @ Feb 4 2003, 02:52 PM)

QUOTE:  The MySQL help docs will be a good place.

Hi there,

Actually they are more difficult than the lovely short Yog 3.1 docs to follow! 🙂

The terminology means zilch for the most part to a tyro – might as well be in Russian.

I need a REAL Newby tutorial. 🙂

I'm sure someone out there somewhere has written a step-by-step tutorial with a glossary ……… although maybe not –

I remember trying to help the folks at Mandrake over a period of years – but the *geeks* (see note1) on the Mandrake Newbie (?!) list would attack any suggestion of making things easy to do, with a ferocity like Religious mania.

The only one who did listen started a business called Lindows and overnight is the only light for the future of Linux against the Forces of Darkness.

Mandrake is dead in the water, sadly.

It *IS* hard to do. The more expert you are, the more help you need in writing a sensible tutorial for the inexperienced. I know, I've been there in business, writing Manuals to transfer Western Technology to 3rd World countries.

What the inexperienced writers forget is that there is a minimum of 3 levels to write for:

1. Same or near level as the writer (Academic) (Geek)

2. Explaining new processes or technology for field/industry-experienced people (Geek)

3. INSTRUCTION Manual: (End User) (Note 2:)

3a. Never seen a widget before

3b. Seen it, know what it does, never used it.

3c. Used Widgets before, not this hi-tech new one.

The easiest way is to write a simple How-To aimed at 3b to begin with and point to glossary for any tech terms and expand from there.

Keypoint: The least successful manual writer is the actual inventor/designer. (Geek)

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Note 1: GEEK/S A person of any of the four sexes who would rather wrestle with a technical problem in the field of their supreme interest, than Britney or Nicole. 🙂

Note 2: USER/End User. Someone who has no interest in the technology, no matter how Kewl and who only wants to use it as a tool to get a specific job done. Just wants to know how to use it, period.

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Having said all o'that, a big thanks to the people who wrote this package and put it out there for anyone to use as a gift.

I KNOW it is amazing – all I need to do is find out how to drive it……………….

Cheers,

Himagain (John)

[himagain]

Hello cal,

Thanks for the sympathy and help! 🙂

I will try it out.

As a tyro I was/am looking for perhaps a *real* entry level tutorial on MySql.

For example I couldn't even follow the “simple” instructions for SQLyog – the terms meant nothing! 🙁

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